Google in sight as Ballmer vows .NET push

update Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer confessed the software giant's .NET interoperability efforts with IBM and Sun have slowed, says he's accepted SQL Server's shortcomings, and vowed to keep fighting search giant Google.

He made the comments at a partner briefing in Sydney this evening on the first day of his whirlwind Australian tour.

In the country for two days of talks with employees, major customers and the business community, Ballmer met a group of state government CIOs as well as federal health minister Tony Abbott earlier today.

A spokesperson for Abbott confirmed the meeting but declined to reveal further details.

Later, a typically-enthusiastic Ballmer addressed approximately 500 partner attendees, who grilled the CEO on all things Microsoft.

Asked about the future of Microsoft's .NET strategy, Ballmer admitted the platform's interoperability work with IBM and Sun had stalled slightly. But there would be a renewed .NET push, he said, and this was "an assigned priority" for the government sector.

"Government has really been pushing for stronger interoperability.

"We can't support open source, but we can support interoperability," he said.

Another partner complained of SQL Server's lack of spatial storage capabilities, saying the database was being beaten by Oracle.

This may be addressed in the next release [of SQL Server] in 18 months, Ballmer said, but conceded he "really didn't know".

A question on location-based services saw Ballmer plug Microsoft's "heavy investment" in mapping. But when a participant asked why MapPoint had not expanded to South East Asia so such services could be built, Ballmer was stumped.

"I didn't know we weren't doing well there," he said. "I'll address that with the team vigorously."

Microsoft's innovation was a constant theme throughout the 20-minute address. This would bring rewards for partners across the globe, including Australia, he said. "Our business in Australia will grow five to six percent over the next [financial] year."

Going after Google
Ballmer saved the best for last, firing a salvo at Google.

"What you're saying is, 'you're so far behind, why bother'?," he said when pressed to reaffirm Microsoft's commitment to search technology as it struggles to catch-up with Google.

"Well, if anyone thinks innovation is done in search, you're wrong.

"Does anyone here really believe search is going to look like it does now in 10 years?," he asked attendees.

He claimed Microsoft's long-term view was already making ground on Google.

"In the next six months, we'll catch Google in terms of relevancy," he said.

Search has more relevance than just the desktop, he said, reiterating Microsoft's well-known stance . "It's important for people who search a corporate network," he added.

"We'll use search to peer into a range of business applications which would allow multiple applications to be searched simultaneously.

"Take for instance the Siebel database. Now I've never used that interface. But I'd love to go to it and say 'who is the account manager for the Commonwealth Bank of Australia?'," Ballmer told the partners.

Microsoft's vision for search would eventually make such data discoverable, without using the [actual] application.

"This is important for our customers, but also in joining the battle with Google!

"Give up the fight? No, never," he said.

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  1. I'm confused, Does ballmer know what he's doing, or he just doing the PR for M$. Without Sequel, and .Net where are we going today ?? Maybe Open Source, we know where they are going! Anonymous -- 28/06/05

    I'm confused,

    Does ballmer know what he's doing, or he just doing the PR for M$.

    Without Sequel, and .Net where are we going today ??

    Maybe Open Source, we know where they are going!

  2. I think his comments about catching Google search in terms of relevancy are more of a PR stunt than anything else, but seriously, does he not realize that MSN's search results are already just as relevant as Google's? In many cases more relevant! Anonymous -- 29/06/05

    I think his comments about catching Google search in terms of relevancy are more of a PR stunt than anything else, but seriously, does he not realize that MSN's search results are already just as relevant as Google's? In many cases more relevant!

  3. I wonder why MS don't stop pushing all of us in .NET It's slow and resource hungry. Let's hope they will drop it before many people getting involved with it. Anonymous -- 29/06/05

    I wonder why MS don't stop pushing all of us in .NET It's slow and resource hungry. Let's hope they will drop it before many people getting involved with it.

  4. And while Microsoft is playing catchup for 6 months, what do they think that Google (and Apple) will be doing during this time? Anonymous -- 30/06/05

    And while Microsoft is playing catchup for 6 months, what do they think that Google (and Apple) will be doing during this time?

  5. I'm curious about what Mr. Ballmer said ... "Take for instance the Siebel database. Now I've never used that interface. But I'd love to go to it and say 'who is the account manager for the Commonwealth Bank of Australia?'," . Doesn't this raises Anonymous -- 30/06/05

    I'm curious about what Mr. Ballmer said ... "Take for instance the Siebel database. Now I've never used that interface. But I'd love to go to it and say 'who is the account manager for the Commonwealth Bank of Australia?'," . Doesn't this raises privacy issues?

  6. Ballmer is a loser and so is MS. I wish they would leave computing alone. With all their wealth they are incapable of making a quality OS and I am tired of their incompetant software making my hardware investment useless. Before going after Goog Anonymous -- 30/06/05

    Ballmer is a loser and so is MS. I wish they would leave computing alone. With all their wealth they are incapable of making a quality OS and I am tired of their incompetant software making my hardware investment useless.

    Before going after Google, they should try to make their core software/OS useful and forget competing with Google.

  7. http://www.google.com/search?q=who+is+the+account+manager+for+the+Commonwealth+Bank+of+Australia%3F&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official Google can Anonymous -- 30/06/05

    http://www.google.com/search?q=who+is+the+account+manager+for+the+Commonwealth+Bank+of+Australia%3F&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

    Google can already give him the answer. (Very bottom of the search page)

    At least he plans to have Microsoft to that point in the next 10 years.

  8. "Google is a one-trick pony?????" Ballmer has apparently been on a campaign lately when it comes to references to Google. This is borne out if you perform searches with Ballmer and Google in the same story. Without exception (I've be Anonymous -- 30/06/05

    "Google is a one-trick pony?????"

    Ballmer has apparently been on a campaign lately when it comes to references to Google. This is borne out if you perform searches with Ballmer and Google in the same story. Without exception (I've been counting), all of Ballmer's references to Google have been only in terms of a search engine; nothing more. It would seem he's trying to define Google's position in the online world.

    That, or he needs to go visit Google.com, click "More" and look at the other services currently offered as well as the "Labs" link. Microsoft has a huge research arm so it can be expected they are working in a large number of areas. But if you look at all of the things Google has underway, you have to respect their creativity and ability to apply the term "cool" (or "kewl", if you prefer) simply because a little twist or turn makes it turn out to be so much easier than something we're already accustomed to.

    Even if Gmail stored everything on our local PC - and there wasn't a draw for the free space by storing everything on their servers, compare it with Outlook's mail handling and you'll see how things can be made very, very simple. Granted, Microsoft could turn around and point out Outlook is "more than mail", but that's not the point. The learning curve is radically different. In teaching & watching people learn to use Gmail, it's been most difficult for those who have become so reliant upon Outlook because the mental overhead required to keep track of all of the pieces is taken away and they aren't quite sure what to do as a result. It seems *too* easy and that causes confusion. Once they find out how to create labels & filters, shazam! There are a few things which need to be added; e.g. filter capability such that I can tell anything headed to the spam area to be marked "read" automatically so I don't have to go in and do it manually - I hate seeing the numbers of unread messages showing up on the summary list for any category.

    Microsoft has other problems: "we can't do open source, but we can support interoperability". Sorry, Sir, it's not the same, no matter what you claim. And hiring Linux heavyweights in the interest of "learning what makes OpenSource and Linux people tick" isn't going to cut it. They can figure out the hows & whys of your philosophy, but I don't think your people can go the other way until they leave the compound on a permanent basis.

  9. Ballmer does not compute. .NET was going to be all things to all people, but they pumped up so much hype that nobody knew what it really was. And now the juggernaut has stalled, with all sorts of problems with their v1 frameworks, pathetic adoption, mas Anonymous -- 30/06/05

    Ballmer does not compute. .NET was going to be all things to all people, but they pumped up so much hype that nobody knew what it really was. And now the juggernaut has stalled, with all sorts of problems with their v1 frameworks, pathetic adoption, massive client downloads, and interoperability problems. He's only now admitting they're stalled? And now they're promising a big push, is this going to be like the big push for security they announced a few years ago? Why should be believe him *this* time?
    In the light of the government asking for better interoperability, what an outrageous statement to make: "We can't support Open Source, but we can support interopability." Is Open Source so much of a threat that they refuse to even interoperate with it? Interoperability means using published standards, documented protocols and open specs. If they do that (and their track record is very poor) then they can support Open Source just as well as proprietary competitors - why should it matter? And what right does MS have to limit the options of their customers? Governments have clearly indicated they don't want lock-in, but MS are still trying to lock up file formats (patenting XML schemas) and protocols (viz SMB).
    As for SQL Server, how many years has it been since a release? Oracle has eaten them for breakfast, and now along comes MySQL and the more enterprise-ready PostgreSQL. They're being left in the dust, and all they can say is they're making it a priority? We're going to wait another 18 months to see just what they can deliver?
    "Microsoft's innovation was a constant theme throughout the 20-minute address." Where exactly is this innovation? Let's see: they bought SQLServer, they copied .NET from Java, they copied MSN Search from Google, Windows copied Xerox and the Mac, IIS copied Apache, they bought Excel and IE... Look a little closer, and where is the true innovation? Jouros seem to have very short memories.
    As for "saving the best for last", Ballmer takes on Google - with what? His best was saying they were going to be more relevant and not give up? Do these business partners really fall for this malarkey? Ballmer seems to think all Google does is search, and all MS have to do to catch up is make their search more relevant. If you want to see some true innovation, look at the constant stream of services Google have put online over the last year or so (Maps, Satellite, GMail, Video, etc etc).
    If you don't drink the MS Kool Aid, Ballmer does not compute.

  10. It has never been clear to me who gives a crap what Ballmer or Gates say. They relentlessly plug their products and spread FUD about everyone and everything else. Who cares about .NET? What does it do that can't be done with other technologies? Oracle isn Anonymous -- 30/06/05

    It has never been clear to me who gives a crap what Ballmer or Gates say. They relentlessly plug their products and spread FUD about everyone and everything else. Who cares about .NET? What does it do that can't be done with other technologies? Oracle isn't the only database with greater capacity and ability to store spatial data, look at Postgres (postgresql.org), which is free. Who needs C# if there is already Java? Who needs their C++ GUI technology when there is Qt? Who needs the new VB when there are already so many other languages and GUI tools. Who needs the new VB when there is already C#?

  11. http://www.theserverside.net/articles/showarticle.tss?id=NET2Benchmarks I think it is clear that performance is on the .NET side of the line. Given that this test was developed by Sun, I think it speaks for itself. Anonymous -- 30/06/05

    http://www.theserverside.net/articles/showarticle.tss?id=NET2Benchmarks

    I think it is clear that performance is on the .NET side of the line. Given that this test was developed by Sun, I think it speaks for itself.

  12. http://www.theserverside.net/articles/showarticle.tss?id=NET2Benchmarks I think it is clear that performance is on the .NET side of the line. Given that this test was developed by Sun, I think it speaks for itself. Anonymous -- 30/06/05

    http://www.theserverside.net/articles/showarticle.tss?id=NET2Benchmarks

    I think it is clear that performance is on the .NET side of the line. Given that this test was developed by Sun, I think it speaks for itself.

  13. I haven't read through previous comments, so forgive me if I'm repeating what's already been said, but the last part really sticks with me: "Give up the fight? No, never." Now, I'm no fan of Microsoft, but I strongly believe Anonymous -- 30/06/05

    I haven't read through previous comments, so forgive me if I'm repeating what's already been said, but the last part really sticks with me:

    "Give up the fight? No, never."

    Now, I'm no fan of Microsoft, but I strongly believe that competition is the true drive of inovation and I am all for Microsoft, and anyone else for that matter, never giving up!

  14. "We can't support open source, but we can support interoperability" = oxymoron. Anonymous -- 01/07/05

    "We can't support open source, but we can support interoperability" = oxymoron.

  15. Database search application is already available!!! Anonymous -- 03/09/05

    Already similar application like what Ballmer said is available. Visit

    http://www.sqlone.com/index.html

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