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NBN a lose-lose deal for Telstra

Posted by David Braue @ 21:19 91 comments

A few weeks ago, I took on Optus for its decision to lodge not one, but two bonds giving it the right to bid on the national broadband network (NBN) contract.

This "schizophrenic" approach, I said, ran the risk of compromising the unified front that Optus and its partners-in-Terria had worked so hard to create. There was always the chance that the second bid was an insurance policy, of course, but I welcomed contact from Optus when it contacted me after that column.

I sat down over a cappuccino with Maha Krishnapillai, Optus' director of corporate and government affairs and one of the people most intimately acquainted with the bid, to find out what the hell was actually going on.

Maha Krishnapillai
(Credit: Slattery IT)

Conspiracy theorists could, he told me, move on: the secondary bid was indeed not so much an attempt to undermine Terria as a way to ensure that Optus was part of the bid no matter what happened with its consortium partners.

Apparently, the Department of Broadband, Communications and the Digital Economy is an entity so mired in its own probity that even a small change in Terria's composition could disqualify it from lodging a valid NBN bid. (If Telstra suddenly acquires one of the Terria members, we'll all know Sol Trujillo has been doing night classes at the Tonya Harding School of Negotiation).

Although Krishnapillai wouldn't share details about the company's NBN bid, he did expound on the structure of Terria, and the perception that it was just a way for Optus to heighten its profile during the tendering process.

If Optus was the largest player in Terria and had the resources to make its bid on its own, I asked, why even bother forming a consortium? The answer: Optus is carrying most of the financial weight, but the other companies are there as a show of support - and to show their commitment to bring their business with them onto the new infrastructure, should Terria win the contract.

Telstra has been quick to dismiss Terria in public, but after reading through its 2006-7 annual report, I suspect that in private its strategists have been quietly huddled in foetal position, thumbs in mouths as they contemplate just how to get out of this situation.

During 2006-7, the Telstra Wholesale business generated $2.957bn in revenues - 12.5 per cent of the company's entire revenues.

More important still is Telstra Wholesale's EBIT (earnings before interest and tax figures) of $2.867bn. In other words, accounting vagaries aside, Telstra apparently incurred just $90m in expenses, or 0.3 per cent of its revenues, administering operations that generated $2.957bn of wholesale revenues; that equates to a 97 per cent profit margin on wholesale services.

Compare this with the Telstra Consumer, Marketing and Channels business segment - the company's largest - which spent 41 per cent of its $9.509bn revenues on expenses. Or consider Telstra International, which generated $1.606bn in revenues but produced EBIT of just $61m - a sign of razor-thin margins (4 per cent) if ever there were any.

Now, consider the source of these wholesale revenues: a large proportion of them come from customers who buy their retail internet from Terria members.

Assuming the other Terria members keep their pinky deals with Optus, Telstra would lose nearly all of those wholesale subscribers as most of Australia's top 10 ISPs simply vote with their feet in the event of a Terria NBN win. There would of course be some customers forced to remain on Telstra wholesale services because of geography, but on the whole there would be no love lost - and one could expect the effect to be devastating.

Telstra knows all of this, which explains the belligerent tone its executives continue to take when discussing things such as operational change.

This has tainted the overall discussion about Australia's broadband future, turning the NBN tendering process into a debacle: timelines pushed back indefinitely, competitors exchanging derisive barbs like Spaniards at La Tomatina, Phil Burgess' predictable hyperbole, the government's futile attempts to keep everyone focused, and a growing tide of criticism that a minimum 12Mbps service is just too little, too late (for the record, I disagree; the mooted VDSL technology will run much faster than that in most areas).

Labor's policy of socialised broadband has certainly proved much harder than the party believed it would be back when it was in Opposition, but it is Telstra that stands to lose the most from the NBN - and that applies whether it loses the NBN contract or wins it.

Yes, even if it wins the deal, Telstra has a major problem on its hands. No matter how much it complains, it simply must provide competitors with open access to the network. History suggests that Telstra is hardly likely to embrace open access to its NBN infrastructure in the way that the government and its competitors are doing, and the growing tide of pro-separation rhetoric suggests that - in theory, at least - that remedy could await the company if its own concept of open access proves insufficient.

What's an ex-monopolist to do? Telstra executives have suggested they could pull out of the deal entirely if separation was mandated, and Optus has said it could do the same if separation was not. But that would cut Telstra out of a critical revenue stream, and handing the deal to Optus isn't going to improve things.

Telstra's Phil Burgess
(Credit: Telstra)

Given that Telstra's revenues would take a hit either way, I would suggest the company consider a third option: shelve its anti-separation arguments, draw up a workable plan for operational separation (I'm sure there are several contingency plans already filed away in Sol Trujillo's office), and work to build bridges with Terria members so that they're less loathe to jump ship as a symbolic measure.

When push comes to shove, Telstra has a tremendous amount of infrastructure that, if properly leveraged, could help it compete with any NBN that's out there. It could actually make competitors want to buy its services rather than feeling they were being gouged as if by a Big Day Out water vendor.

Terria, or any other tender winner, would also have to deliver commercial returns from its services, so it's not like the venture could just give away its wholesale services. This leaves Telstra a painful, but more beneficial in the long term, strategy for remaining relevant.

The issue may likely stretch out far longer than expected - I wouldn't be surprised to see the NBN become an issue with the 2010 election as well - but Telstra has well and truly painted itself into a corner. Terria has given Optus the market weight it lacked, and a bloodless NBN war with Telstra would give the whole industry a clear direction forward. The sharks are circling - and it's up to Telstra to decide just how big a bite they take.

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Talkback 91 comments

  1. Telstra Broadband Anonymous -- 31/07/08

    If TELSTRA loses the contracts then they should immediately sign Google's new office development into their network before the scavengers make their approach. As far as their services to country wide Australia, take a bow this Government, the previous Government had all of the correct procedures in place long before you popped up and the services that were put in place, work...work very well indeed.
    Take a Bow TELSTRA!

  2. Big brainwash. Sydney Lawrence -- 31/07/08

    David you were obviously and easily led by Maha that I do hope Sol or Phil makes contact so as to allow you to put the Telstra case.

    1. Leeches Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      Little hard to accuse the compeition of a 'free-ride' and being 'leeches' when they generate $2.957bn in revenue.

      If any other business showed such disdain towards such a major source of revenue, their shareholders would sack them all.

    2. RTFA Sydney Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      Stop being a schill for Telstra and RTFA.

      "During 2006-7, the Telstra Wholesale business generated $2.957bn in revenues - 12.5 per cent of the company's entire revenues."

      12.5% of their revenue from organisations that you and Phil call "leeches".

      Telstra management and bigoted die hards such as yourself and SJT now need to come to the realisation that without the Terria partners and others Telstra are really in dire straits. Win or lose the NBN tender.

      Hopefully someone in Telstra will realise this and not risk losing 12% of their revenue on stupidity.

    3. Re: RTFA sjt -- 31/07/08

      Speaking of bigoted, greetings anonymous antagonist!

    4. Typical SJT Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      Can't refute anything in the comment so you agree eh?

      Do you get paid by the big T for every comment, or only ones where you're a fanboi?

    5. Re: Typical - lol! sjt -- 31/07/08

      Yes thank you, you are are obviously infinitely intelligent, "mysterious anonymous antagonist, "whomever you may be?" - lol!

      Best have a look through the recent comments my friend and apart from now, where I have simply replied to your stupid, childish gibe aimed at me personally (for no rational reason, talking of typical oh secretive, masked one) and you won't find SJT amongst them - ooh, what a mystery!!!!

      Nice try but no banana, my friend!

    6. That is the Telstra faboys for you... Lord Watchdog -- 06/08/08

      SJT always substitutes quality and informative debate with personal diatribe. He has no facts to refute any evidence put by those wanting Telstra held accountabel for the fact that they require a $4.7bn bribe from Labor to build the new network so he, and his ilk, resort to petty name-calling.

      I'll repeat that more than half of this Commonwealth handout, which may well go to Telstra on one of Kevin 07's silver platters, is supposed to come out of the Future Fund - a move that the Libs/Nats made illegal and which Labor will no doubt seek to reverse.

      The deceitful thing about this is that if Labor goes ahead with changing the law so they can raid the Future Fund for their broadband network they will then be able to blow the other $60bn in the Fund on what ever they like and still be able to claim they are in a budget surplus.

    7. Re: that is the... sjt -- 11/08/08

      Yes whatever.

      Clowns like you and the rest of the T4 ladies aren't interested in anything other than name calling, so cest la vie.

      As I've said before, it's like tennis, once you serve you inevitable then have to receive. So after serving yourself many times, don't now whinge because it's your turn to recieve. if that's the case, put your tail between your legs (where it belongs) and go off and sulk in the corner dunce!

      You ask for informative debate and when it is presented along with accompanying links to expert data, you refute, whinge, whine say it's out of context and do whatever else you can to spoil, rather than actually doing what any "normal rational human being" would do and actually reading/taking what is being said, onboard. After all, you ask for info, why not at least have the decency to comprehend it, rather than aimlessly trying to discredit it, even if you disagree!

      So what's the point in trying to rationally debate with the irrational like you?

      Just keep living in you own little cocooned world and coming to these blogs to troll well after most others have gone.

      Whaddaguy you must be?

    8. And the clown is... SJT. Lord Watchdog -- 11/08/08

      "Clowns like you and the rest of the T4 ladies aren't interested in anything other than name calling, so cest la vie."

      Hypocrisy was never your strong point was it SJT - not much :-p

      You wouldn't know the meaning of rational debate either and to accuse me of simply lingering here because there is nowhere else to go shows your lack of knowledge of the situation. I own two 'blogs' - God I hate that word - of my own and a forum too.

      "As I've said before, it's like tennis, once you serve you inevitable then have to receive. So after serving yourself many times, don't now whinge because it's your turn to recieve. if that's the case, put your tail between your legs (where it belongs) and go off and sulk in the corner dunce! "

      Sad, so sad, the little boy is having a hissy fit. Dropped our ice cream have we? Stamping your feet won't help.

      "You ask for informative debate and when it is presented along with accompanying links to expert data, you refute, whinge, whine say it's out of context and do whatever else you can to spoil, rather than actually doing what any "normal rational human being" would do and actually reading/taking what is being said, onboard."

      Neither will making false allegations. Would it be a rude question to ask why you like Telstra so much? Are you a shareholder? Do you like companies that are run by foreigners for their own benefit more than to the benefit of their punters? Sol and his Amigos fit that bill perfectly?

      More to the point, when was the last time I refuted any links evidence quoted in reply to anything I have said? I'll make life easy for you SJT, link to just one time it happened. I know you can't because it has never happened and it isn't because I am a trusting soul it is because you and the rest of the Telstra clubbies here have never linked to any webpage showing any evidence to back up claims made by them.

      You lot just genuflect before Sol and the Amigos and lick the birdpoop off their shoes. Grow up and be a man SJ. Be a leader for once instead of a blind follower.

    9. Mate to be honest - I think we are both clowns! SJT -- 11/08/08

      Once again - I am NOT a Telstra shareholder, employee, paid antagonist and don't know anyone who is. Although I have come in contact with a few from the other camp!

      For the record, although I agree 'mostly' with Telstra, I certainly don't love them.

      Also for the record, I have in the past been a client of many of Telstra's competitors and congratulated Optus, Internode, Virgin (Optus again) etc, when they have done something positive, even after returning to Telstra. You see, you need to read everything I have written instead of focussing upon the words you don't like. Conversely, when I have mentioned Telstra winning awards, donating to charities etc, instead of the likes of you saying, ok well done, you fight tooth and nail just to discredit them. Why?

      To prove my above comments factual, in fact I am currently quite ***sed at Telstra's ridiculous ideological stoush with the Unions (which ironically I'm sure as a Howard lover, you would be right behind) - LW supports Telstra - lol!

      Also i asked you on more than one ocassion about your thoughts on structural separation (knowing you had already mentioned an off the cuff remark saying it was not a good idea) but you never answered? I guess you just can't/couldn't bring yourself to be seen as being even remotely pro-Telstra?

      Since you hadn't noticed, whilst getting all steamed up over me and forgetting about comms - lol. Since this ideological union fight and the tragic passing of a close family friend (and another who suicided only at the weekend), I haven't commented on comms or Telstra, for some 3 or 4 weeks. You see, I have come to the conclusion that arguing over comms is of no consequence in relation to the big picture. However, I have commented in kind, simply to stick up for myself when some, for no apparent reason, bring up my name even when I'm nowhere around - lol!

      As such, it seems one of us is indeed a blind follower, LW? One who can never see good in one side and only ever sees good in the other - obviously that person isn't me!

      Please take this opportunity for a "free shot" at my expense, because as I have mentioned, it's really not "that important" after all - I won't bother responding!

      Good luck!

    10. Response Lord Watchdog -- 13/08/08

      "Also i asked you on more than one ocassion about your thoughts on structural separation (knowing you had already mentioned an off the cuff remark saying it was not a good idea) but you never answered? I guess you just can't/couldn't bring yourself to be seen as being even remotely pro-Telstra?"

      What part of "I do not agree with seperating Telstra" could be regarded as off the cuff, as you put it? It seems direct and to the point to me and I doubt I could be more succinct. SJT, I think it is you and not me that only reads the words they like reading, ignoring the rest.

    11. @response Anonymous -- 14/08/08

      haha lord watchdog once again shows what a complete low life lying mongrel dog he is. makes up lies about a $5b beg and i also find it funny that he disagrees with seperation hehe. so mangey dog instead of being the worm that you are why don't you do as stj asked *tell us your thoughts* on seperation we now know you disagree but *why* do you disagree. either the truth hurts or the light is on but theres no one home haha.

    12. One more time for the dummies Lord Watchdog -- 14/08/08

      I've said countless times that I do not believe that Telstra should be seperated and I have given my reasons why on each occasion. You can obviously hurl insults better than you are able to read so my suggestion to you is to go back to school Junior and learn your ABCs all over again.

      One other thing, and it seems to be taking some of you Telstra fanboys a long time to let it sink in - the petty insults do not bother me. If they did then I wouldn't bother posting. I've been insulted by experts and all the Telstra lovers here wouldn't rate as starters in that department.

      It would be interesting to find out how many Telstra loyalists actually use Bigpond to connect to the Internet. My bet that it is not a big number.

    13. @one more Anonymous -- 14/08/08

      petty insults dont bother you because you arent switched on enough to understand when someones criticising, takin the ***s or just playing with you, you moron hehe.

    14. More a case of... Richard Gettings -- 14/08/08

      Maybe he's just trying to tell you that anonymous trolls do not matter much in the overall scheme of things.

      I tend to agree because your posts would be more meaningful to everyone if you'd cut the bull and stick to the subject put by the original poster.

    15. @more a case Anonymous -- 15/08/08

      yes thanks for that educational input dick. love anonymous troll.

    16. LW is the biggest of them all Anonymous -- 11/08/08

      Just look at the comment
      "... wanting Telstra held accountabel for the fact that they require a $4.7bn bribe from Labor to build the new network ..."

      Isn't this the same $4.7B bribe that Craptus, Tierra and co. are also asking for?

      Didn't Droptustry and take close to a $1B bribe for a network that was never going to deliver anything like it promised?

      By the way as you are across so many conspiracies can you fill us in on the truth around:
      Who shot JFK?
      Did the Roswell incident really happen?
      What happened to Harold Holt?
      Who was the real mastermind around 9/11?

      When you have no facts you simply try and scare people with stupid theories. The only thing you are lord of is the ring (your own).

      I love the stupid and obsolete foreigners line you always pull out, troll through the CEO lists for the top 20 comapnies and see who is an Australian, who is the CEO of the #2 telco (they don't have a CEO here as it is run out of Singapore) you will find their Australian management team are not from oz.

      Go back to your vintage radios, your stupid web site, two crappy blogs that are out of touch with reality and leave the real world to people who can provide a positive contribution.

    17. Another anonymous troll Lord Watchdog -- 13/08/08

      This thread is not about Opel, it is about Telstra. I'll add that the only expert in conspiracy theories here seems to be you and you listed more of them than I care to remember. Harold Holt, JFK, yeah, they all rank up there with the Telstra Amigos breaking their backs to be fair to customers.

      It was reported today that Telstra has taken $24bn in revenue in the last financial year... and they have the hide to get on their knees and beg KRudd for almost $5bn more for a network they want to own outright and do with what they please and on their own terms.

      Seriously, Telstra make Yosemite Sam, Boss Hogg and Kaos look like saints.

    18. Beg for $5B y -- 13/08/08

      Lord is such a one eyed loser it is not funny, like the person above said. If Telstra bids on a Tender it is begging, if anyone else bids it is fair competition. YOU ARE SUCH A LOSER LORD WATCHDOG!!!

    19. I think they are all begging Lord Watchdog -- 14/08/08

      The difference is that Terria didn't make a $6.5bn profit last year, Telstra did. It has also been reported that Telstra borrowed money to shut their shareholders up with a sweet dividend despite taking $24bn in revenues.

      Their business practices need a big shakeup. Shareholders may be laughing now with their payoff but they will be paying it back in interest payments for the next five years.

      I'm not a Telstra shareholder or employee so I guess that makes me a winner, not a loser. I'm laughing.

    20. @i think Anonymous -- 15/08/08

      $6.5b profit, just the sort of profit a soft **ck conservative, anti-worker, anti-union stooge like you would love, so whats the problem, you winner you, hehe.

    21. Looks like full moon is around the corner Lord Watchdog -- 15/08/08

      ...Because the lunatics are out again tonight. Why would I love Telstra's profit when I am not a shareholder?

      The reason I am not a union member is because unions only ever go into bat for bludgers, not real workers. The only thing in your post you got right is that, yes, I am a conservative and a bloody good feeling it is too. You should try it.

    22. @looks like Anonymous -- 15/08/08

      der, because you are a soft **ck conservative, anti-worker, anti-union stooge.

    23. So? Lord Watchdog -- 16/08/08

      Get over it heh.

    24. Sol or Phil makes contact SkyKing20 -- 31/07/08

      Somehow Sydney I don't think that Sol would ever wish/have the balls to make personal contact with David "over a cappuccino" as he is full of himself/above everybody else to put Telstra's side of the story.

      Imagine Sol coming onto WhirlPool to post on behalf of Telstra. I think not, it is to laugh Ha! Ha!

    25. NWAT - Sol or Phil makes contact Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      None of the T crew would ever show up in Whirlpool. Sydney and SJT avoid it like the plague - too many knowledgable people there who would see through them in a second.

      Thats why Telstra created NWAT..

    26. Re: NWAT sjt -- 31/07/08

      My... someone has a mines bigger than yours fixation don't they!

      With you obviously chronically obligated to mentioniing me all the time, I feel so important! Apparently more important than even the NBN itself (according to you) - lol!

      Some people.

    27. Dodge, dodge Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      You're pretty slimey aren't you SJT. Always dodging and weaving the questions. Eh, par for the course for Telstra fanbois I s'pose.

    28. Re: Dodge sjt -- 31/07/08

      ROFL ...

      All that is needed is for you to read my above reply Re NWAT again, Einstein.

      Ooh I think mummy's calling you for din din, little boy - lol!

    29. Desperation Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      "Ooh I think mummy's calling you for din din, little boy - lol!"

      Going for the mother jokes .. how fifth grade of you SJT.

    30. Re: Desperation sjt -- 31/07/08

      Yes and slimey is most adult, rocket scientist.

      Anyway... how was din din little boy, did you eat your peas? lol!

    31. @sjt Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      hey sjt your under attack by an anonymous moron and james and the dog are no where around. or are they haha.

    32. Re: @ sjt -- 31/07/08

      lol, yes indeed my friend, I was in fact thinking likewise!

      But do you really think "moron" is an apt description for my T4 antagonist?

      ...After minimal deliberation required, it is bleedin' obvious, you're right.

    33. Don't use my name in vain thankyou Lord Watchdog -- 06/08/08

      I am here, every father's son of me.

    34. Sydney is on wp, i think Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      Actually... i think Sydney shows up a lot on WP.

      his user name is (i believe) Attila.

      His comments there are very well thought out, and widely revered by the folks at wp.. just check what he says and see how most folks respond with praise at his cleverness. ;)

    35. @sydney is on wp Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      who cares what a few 1000 dopey geeks on wp think

    36. Whirlpool Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      230k at last count.

      How many non-telstra people are at NWAT? Two?

    37. @whirlpool Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      and 21 million more non geek non w***kpool aussie - hehe

    38. How many Lord Watchdog -- 11/08/08

      How many people outside the fanboy category get a word in at NWAT? NWAT is a con job, always was, always will be.

      As it is owned and run by Telstra it will never serve to be anything but a self-gratification exercise for them.

    39. "Whingepool" Anonymous -- 11/08/08

      What Hypocrosy!!

      We all no that "Whingepool" is where all the telstra Haters gather....they are a narrow minded little bunch and do nothing to add to a "balanced" debate apart from constantly trying to deride Telstra!!!

    40. @"Whingepool" Anonymous -- 11/08/08

      Ah yes.. the largest forum of ANY kind in this country also just happens to be a place for all those evil, un-Australian Telstra bashers to congregate.

    41. @@whingepool Anonymous -- 11/08/08

      ah yes... the largest forum of nobody students an IT geeks. check their own survey. what a joke.

    42. Oh Dear Lord Anonymous -- 11/08/08

      Do you get self-gratification from coming to this site and Whingepool? If not I can imagine a few other ways you would be giving yourself some self-gratification. How do you type so much using only one hand?

    43. @Oh Dear Lord Anonymous -- 11/08/08

      More gratifying on this site as there are too many "wankers" like yourself on whingepool. LOL..see above supporting comments!!

    44. OMG Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      "his user name is (i believe) Attila."

      OMG he is too .. User #204307.

      If its not him, someones done a damn fine job of impersonating him!

    45. @omg Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      how perceptive of you sherlock

    46. @omg Anonymous -- 01/08/08

      haha it was so obvious from the very first word who atilla is to anyone who has a brain so better stick to stupid online games kids youll never be detectives. so now that we *all* know about atilla why don't you clowns give us all your user names so we can keep track of your wisdom to.

    47. Sol or Phil Simon -- 31/07/08

      It would make interesting reading if either Phil or Sol contacted David and actually had a frank and open conversation on the record. To say that David was obviously and easily led by Maha reflects upon your views more than David's gullibility.

    48. Rest assured that if they do David Braue -- 04/08/08

      You will all hear about it!

    49. They know how to find me David Braue -- 04/08/08

      But haven't done so yet.

      Out of curiosity, with which part do you not agree? Because Maha said nothing like what I've said before - he was just clarifying the Terria issues.

  3. Losing grasp of the big picture Anonymous -- 31/07/08

    It s about providing the internet to everyone that wants it where ever they are in Australia.

    Not about the revenue of companies.

    It s simple, tender to built the infrastructure, charge the companies to use it so that infrastructure can be maintained and improve thought-out the years. Put in a legal act that it can not be sold to a private company or listed on the Stock Exchange.

  4. Why Are We So Backward With Broadband Anonymous -- 31/07/08

    Why Are We So Backward With Broadband.

    Is it all the previous Govermants?

    Or is it Telstra?

    Either way we have to do what is right for the people and buisneses.

    We can not compare Australia with any other country as we have vast distances to cover.

    But in saying that there is technology in place now to recifie this.

    Is it the cost to do this?

    Who knows ony us normal mortals hope everything gets better.

    I think this will be later than sooner.

    After seeing what is happening all overe the world.

    Telstra can not step up and say this is what we need, this is what we can do, but the allmighty $$$ comes first.

    Instead of serving the people they are serving them selves filling ther pockets and will soon leave soon.

    Maybe we need a Audtralian CEO who can look after the people instead of themselves.

    I am not a Telstra Broadband supporet, i changes to a local ISP years ago.

  5. Your Dreaming Anonymous -- 31/07/08

    The Telstra Fanboi's are out in force I see.

    You can only kick a dog for so long before it finally feels the urge to bite back and it looks like the dog's are getting ready to sink their teeth in.

    Telstra are the only ones to blame for this as they have shown nothing but disdain towards their wholesale customers over the years.

    I think that John Romero's egotistical quote states what Telstra needs to do... Suck It Down!

    1. @your dreaming Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      telstra fanbois are out in force. plus theres also you the lonesome idiot.

  6. Family first. Sydney Lawrence -- 31/07/08

    The Anti Telstra idiots are really getting desperate. I am sure Sol or Phil would be only too pleased to educate David but must, for the moment, abide by the good Senators call for restraint of publication of information.

    I know Telstra appreciate customers but when those customers proceed to pilfer Telstra own customer base and use a free-ride to plan to weaken and destroy Telstra it it time for this great Australian icon to stand up and fight back.

    We have only seen the beginning of the devious tactics that Telstra opponents will sink to in their endeavour to gain control of Australia's vital NBN. If our Government allows a foreign controlled company, with the assistance of 4.7 billion dollars of Australian taxpayer money to defeat an Australian owned enterprise they will deserve to be cast out at the next election.

    1. Free Ride Michael Field -- 31/07/08

      Sydney can you explain your term "Free Ride"? Your use of this term would indicate that there is absolutely no cost at all to the wholesale customers. I'm sure you are not stupid enough to believe they have free access to Telstra's infrastructure.

    2. free-ride? SkyKing20 -- 31/07/08

      What is it with this "free-ride" rubbish Sydney? Telstra's wholesale customers according to this article paid Telstra $2.957bn of wholesale revenue of which $2.867bn was profit. How is that a free ride Sydney? And don't forget that Telstra is about 20% foreign owned in itself or does that not matter Sydney?

    3. *yawn* James Bell -- 31/07/08

      Sydney your xenophobic attitude towards Singapore is growing tired. I suggest you stop regurgitating the slobberring diversion tactics from the likes of your beloved Dr Phil because you cannot be taken seriously until you do.

    4. At least he is an aussie and proud of it James Ding a Ling -- 01/08/08

      I for one would like to see as much money as possible stay in this country and as it stands no more then 20% of Telstra's dividends leave the country, 100% of Optus' leave this country, Terria (soon to be known as Bull Terria) will have 50% of the profits go to Singtel and looking back at Opel that was also 50% Singtel.

      If it was such a bad thing then why not change their company name to Singtel and all of Optus' customers will become Singtel customers. The truth is that they are happy having people believe something completely different and are in no rush to correct them.

      Word of the day - xenophobic - one problem - we are not afraid of any foreigners, just making sure the world is aware of the repercussions. As for the unknown, there is no unknown here just highlighting the inadequacies of this company and it's disastrous failings over the past 15 years.

    5. A Global Economy James Bell -- 01/08/08

      "I for one would like to see as much money as possible stay in this country and as it stands no more then 20% of Telstra's dividends leave the country, 100% of Optus' leave this country, Terria (soon to be known as Bull Terria) will have 50% of the profits go to Singtel and looking back at Opel that was also 50% Singtel."

      I believe you will find the a majority of consumers in this country are not Telstra shareholders hence they couldn't give a toss about where the dividends go, just as we don't care whether the successful bidder is Acacia, Axia, Terria or even Telstra if their proposal is the most competitive. The crucial aspect to the wider community will be the price and I personally would rather the 21 million odd Australians aren't financially burdened to support a minority of shareholders who are privileged enough to be in a position to actually afford shares. And your comment about 100% of SingTel dividends leaving this country is just plain wrong. SingTel is listed on the Australian Stock Exchange and there's nothing to prevent Australians (or anyone else for that matter) from purchasing them.

      "If it was such a bad thing then why not change their company name to Singtel and all of Optus' customers will become Singtel customers. The truth is that they are happy having people believe something completely different and are in no rush to correct them."

      With your logic perhaps we should begin renaming all foreign owned companies. Let's rename Holden to "American Owned General Motors" (adding the "American Owned" just so everyone is aware), or how about Arnotts change their name to Campbell's Soup (even though Arnotts doesn't actually sell Soup)? In fact why stop at company names? Let's also mandate that the executives from all of these corporations have their names changed to reflect their true nationality.

      The reality is at the end of the day the majority of consumers don't even care. This argument about foreign ownership is a farce taken directly from the Telstra Rhetoric Handbook, and is being used as a distraction from the real discussion we should be having.

    6. @global Anonymous -- 11/08/08

      agreed. however you cant have it both ways, and complain when your i.t. job is outsourced to india then.

    7. Excellent post Lord Watchdog -- 14/08/08

      Good work James. Excellent post based on thorough research and listing all the facts. I'm yet to see such informative work from those with an opposing point of view.

    8. Your internet access must be back up again Earl Watchyour**** -- 14/08/08

      WOW how many posts from the dumb lord can we get in one day?

      He is obviously trying to push his comments out as quickly as possible just in case his link fails again, just like your highly unreliable IRC service.

    9. Telstra- anti Australian Simon -- 01/08/08

      If Telstra was concerned at all about its Australian heritage it would not outsource Australian jobs to India and the Phillipines. Look at the Telstra capex, it spends 99% of capex overseas. How much Australian hardware and software does Telstra use? How come none of the highly expensive consultants (such as Bain&Co) are from Oz?
      If Telstra had a policy of procurement from Australian sources, then there may be some creditability to them crowing Australian.

    10. @telstra Anonymous -- 01/08/08

      yeah right. you and james are just a pair of n-o-b-s. back to tttt for a few cognacs. you'll always find something to argue about while we keep waiting and waiting. a little action rather than your tttt stupidity would be a fresh change, eh!

    11. ttt? Simon -- 01/08/08

      Not sure I follow your response, not sure what ttt is either. I was responding to silly claims that telstra should be given preferntial treatment because it was an Australian company. My point being that Telstra does not act in the interest of Australian's and does not deserve any special consideration.

    12. @ttt-t Anonymous -- 01/08/08

      tttt is tell the truth telstra a lovely little red neck group who only exist to blame telstra for everything from the comms problems to world hunger to global warming. james bell, another serial commentor is said to be one of their cheif architects. that's why hes at all these blogs bagging telstra

    13. Don't bother James Bell -- 01/08/08

      I wouldn't bother persevering with this one Simon.

    14. s Anonymous -- 01/08/08

      seems the truth hurts hehe

    15. @dont bother Anonymous -- 02/08/08

      funny jimmy boy, thats exactly what we all say as soon as we see your paid for crap, tttt grub

    16. Nice one! James Bell -- 02/08/08

      Are your parents siblings or something?

    17. @nice one Anonymous -- 02/08/08

      Yes they are known as Mr and Mrs Bell ****wit!

    18. Daddy Bell James Bell Junior -- 02/08/08

      Daddy, I couldn't buy any groceries from the shop, they don't accept any of this Singapore currency. Can you find a job with a company that pay you a salary in Australian dollars!

    19. Ummm, 'scuse meeeee Lord Watchdog -- 06/08/08

      I think you are missing something Mr Ding a Ling. Optus is one of nine players in the Terria camp and most of those nine have either a significant or total Australian ownership. This crap and you and Lawrence have been beating up holds no water what-so-ever. I am glad you ain't shipbuilders.

      For once I would like to see Telstra answerable to someone else. Did you guys know that all this freeloading you think exists in Australia by Telstra's wholesale customers is exactly what Telstra is doing in Great Britain, the United States, Honk Kong and New Zealand? Telstra **** and moan about how hard done by they are against incumbent carriers elsewhere and when the shoe is on the other foot here at home they act like a bunch of packwolves.

      Telstra's hypocrisy knows absolutely no bounds at all. Their attitude disgusts me to the point that it would put me off eating my tea at night if I was reminded about them at the time.

      I wish all these bloody yanks would pack their bags and bugger orf because if Telstra is still such a great Aussie icon then let it be run by one of us.

    20. "True Competition" Anonymous -- 06/08/08

      What we need is true competition not the regulated stuff OPTUS loves to sponge off.

      The last 10 years has been a disaster & we have the Howard government to thank for it!

      Lets hope labor is a breath of fresh air!!

    21. Wrong wrong wrong dead wrong Lord Watchdog -- 11/08/08

      The sponging you refer to is a by-product of the previous Labor (read: hard labour) era of Bob Hawke and Paul Keating and it was around many years before Telstra got flogged off.

      Labor won't be the breath of fresh air you are hoping for but the same noxious exhaust fumes we all suffocated on last time they held office.

    22. Noxious fumes Anonymous -- 11/08/08

      The only reason you keep smelling noxious fumes is the fact the radiate from you.

    23. @yawn Anonymous -- 01/08/08

      james your telstra is always at fault attitude is growing tired. i suggest you stop regurgitatiing the slobbering diversion tactics from the likes of your beloved maha because you cannot be taken seriously until you do.

  7. Key ingredients Anonymous -- 31/07/08

    I think the main thing that needs to be decided on is the brand and quality of the hardware installed.
    There should be enough information on the issues with each providers hardware that is in service already to make an informed decision. Notably, issues with disconnections on Optus hardware and port locking problems that were fixed with a firmware update. Are we going to have a "made in China" stamp on our network?
    The other thing we can't have is a network owned and run by Tel$tra, as all they care about is how much profit they can make for their shareholders.
    So, in summary, I don't want to see a cheap network built by Optus, or run by Tel$tra at Tel$tras' profit margins.

    1. @key Anonymous -- 31/07/08

      so nbn then!

  8. Probity Anonymous -- 31/07/08

    I think I'd be mired in my own probity too if bidders to my tender had that much simmering tension between them...

  9. Competition can work with investment. Sydney Lawrence -- 01/08/08

    Michael, SkyKing20 and dear James.

    Of course I did not literally mean "free-ride" to convey zero, zilch or nil but simply explain a very cheap parasitic and unfair application on a stronger opponent that allows the creation of false competition and the advancement of under performing companies to the detriment of a superior one.

    The ACCC is wrong that in its desire to promote competition it in fact creates a false market and destabilizes the function of a free enterprise system. It alo discourages investment and encourages the extension of the "free-load" that in reality works against the ACCC intentions.

    I do not recognise imaginary bottlenecks (that are used by cunning opponents for self-serving gain) to be insurmountable obstacles for Telstra opponents, because with the rapid change of technology and with investment Telstra opponents could provide true competition to Telstra for the benefit of all Australians.

    1. Competition Simon -- 01/08/08

      Sydney, the majority of people, including State and Federal governments, disagree with you. Its pointless trying to discuss with you due to your strange tie with Telstra.
      Any astute business person would see the value in a line of business with and EBIT margin of 97%. That Telstra actively blocks this market is incredible. The shareholders should be livid. That Telstra supporters defend this is just sad.

    2. "True Competition" Anonymous -- 01/08/08

      Sydney is right in saying that the ACCC has created a false market which does not encourage investment & allows the likes of OPTUS to sponge off Telstra.

      Unfortunately those who have a vested interest in holding back investment by looking for even more regulation are doing ALL Australians a diservice.

  10. Right is might. Sydney Lawrence -- 01/08/08

    Simon with respect, your statement that the majority of people disagree with me, including the State and Federal Governments is an assumption of large proportions.

    Why you did not add the entire Government of the United States, the population of the United Kingdom and half of China is puzzling. If you are going to talk crazy why stop short.

    The fact that you find the presentation of your arguement a problem suggests to me that perhaps your point of view is lacking in logic.

    1. ****umptions Simon -- 05/08/08

      Sydney, the Federal Govt has set up the environment, the rules and the regulations. ACCC is a Govt body set-up to ensure compliance with Govt regulations to protect consumers. The current Govt has not made any major changes to this environment. Further, most of the people I discuss telecoms with, either industry people or consumers, support the ACCC and the separation of Telstra. I may be wrong about the thoughts of the general poulation (most who could not care less) but the Governments (State & Fed) and their agencies do not agree with you.
      I don't have a problem articulating my ideas and the lack of logic lies elsewhere.